July 24, 2003

Could it have been said any better?

Lynn of Reflections in d minor responded to this statement that I have received numerous times in my email box:

It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to sit down and shut up!!!
Lynn dices up everything to do with such statement so eloquently, I am not sure anyone else could have done a better job.

Posted by Tiger at July 24, 2003 03:16 PM | TrackBack
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........DON'T LIKE DUSCUSSIONS ABOUT god AND RELIGION BUT........I MUST SPEAK FOR THE 16% OR WHATEVER % I ATTRIBUTE...............HOW DOES THE 86% JUSTIFY ALL OF THE MISERY THAT god'S AND their RELIGIONS HAVE CAUSED THIS OLD WORLD OF OURS, VIA WAR, PERSECUTION, OUTCASTING,ETC. I'D SAY MORE, BUT I SEEM TO BE PISSING A LOT OF PEOPLE OFF THESE DAYS....BUT, HELL, NEVER TURNED DOWN A GOOD FIGHT.............................

Posted by: oldcatman at July 24, 2003 06:00 PM

Well im not one of those people, but if i had to defend it i'd say

"Well that wasn't me, I wasn't even born when that stuff happened."

Now I have a question for you...What does it matter if it says in god we trust on the money? It's got a bunch of shit written in latin on there too, and I dont know too many Americans who speak latin.
More importantly, if the money didn't say in God we trust, all the deli's of the country would have to take down their clever signs that say "In God we trust...all others pay cash!" and that would kill millions of trees. You don't hate trees, do you?

Posted by: Collins at July 25, 2003 09:37 AM

No, I do not hate trees. I am against the destruction of the rian forest in the Amazon area. Trees are what converts our exhaling breath full of CO2 back to oxygen. With the world population growing more and more, destroying all the trees is going ot be a big problem in the future, in my opinion.

Posted by: Tiger at July 25, 2003 12:35 PM

LOVE IT! IT DOES MATTER IF COIN OF THE RELM SAYS IN god WE TRUST.....OR IF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE INCLUDES A god STATEMENT BECAUSE IF I DON'T WANT TO WATCH A god SHOW ON TV, OR READ AN ARTCILE IN THE PAPER, ETC. I JUST CHANGE THE CHANNEL OR DON'T READ THE ARTICLE..ETC.

WITH MY COINS AND PLEDGE, I CAN'T TURN god OFF.

PS: IF YOU HAVE READ OLDCATMAN YOU KNOW I AM A VERY SPIRITUAL PERSON...IN MY OWN WAY.

PEACE

Posted by: oldcatman at July 25, 2003 06:04 PM

I tackled this one a few months back. It's nonsensical on the face of it.

Posted by: Jay Solo at July 25, 2003 11:54 PM

I wouldn't even attempt to get into this discussion.
I know who GOD is and I believe he had a Son, by the name of Jesus, that died on a cross for my sins and yours.
I did read an interesting article the other day about the worlds Oxygen level in our atmosphere.
It is down just a tad from a little(?)since the beginning of the 1900s, from over 50 percent then to just over 24 perscent now.
Interesting. Less oxygen affects animals brains and the thought process, right? Makes sense to me.

Posted by: Frank at July 26, 2003 09:26 AM

The level was 35% 67 million years ago, there are some who theorize that the dinosaurs became extinct when the level dropped. And it hasn't dropped in millions of years. Check the chart at the bottom of this link.
http://minerals.cr.usgs.gov/gips/na/0amber.htm

Posted by: Kathy K at July 26, 2003 12:38 PM

HOW DOES THE 86% JUSTIFY ALL OF THE MISERY THAT god'S AND their RELIGIONS HAVE CAUSED THIS OLD WORLD OF OURS, VIA WAR, PERSECUTION, OUTCASTING,ETC.

I can easily sympathize with this point of view. Sometimes I feel that the world would be better off with out any organized religion, but if you stop and think about things logically instead of emotionally it's clear that if there was no religion there would still be evil in the world.

Posted by: Lynn S at July 26, 2003 02:41 PM

DEAR LYNN, VIA THE TIGER,

INTERESTING: E V I L , ASSUME 3/4THS OF THE EVIL IN THE WORLD IS RELIGION, SO GET RID OF THE ''VIL" (long "i") in EVIL AND YOU ONLY HAVE AN ''E'' TO DEAL WITH; A LOT 'E'ASIER TO HANDLE.

............hail mary, full of disgrace..............

PEACE

Posted by: oldcatman at July 26, 2003 04:36 PM

I stand corrected by this article about the percetage of oxygen in prhistoric times as compared to present day. I believe tha article said, from 35% down to the present day rate of 21%. My point is: It is still lower now than prehistoric times some 65 or so, million years ago. I suppose Dinosaurs needed more oxygen because of their body and brain size............or........Was Dinosaurs bigger and brainier because of the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere. Hmmmm........Comes back to which came first the chicken or the egg? BTW..A first grade boy answered the last question. He had a very simple answer.
As far as the religion of choice. Believe what you will.
I am a Christian. I just don't know how to say that any simpler.

Posted by: Frank at July 26, 2003 09:36 PM

I think that this article pretty much sums up my way of thinking. I think that if you don't believe in god, don't take the time to read your money. I fyou don't believe in god, don't say the words in the pledge, but don't deny the many of us that do believe in him the right to say so. You have your way. we don't pray in school, we don't force you to do anything that you don't want to do. Let us live with the religious freedom that we deserve. Why should 14% be able to decide for the rest of us?

Posted by: melissa at September 29, 2003 05:35 PM

I grew up in a very religious part of upstate NY. My father worked at what was IBM at the time, and my mother was a "proper" stay at home mom who volunteered on the fire phone when everyone else was out partying. My dad was a volunteer fireman the entire time he lived, working his way up to chief and even commissioner. We lived next door to a methodist church for 2 decades. We wouldn't convert and donate our backyard to be their parking lot after they covered theirs with a pole barn to brainwash kids on Tuesdays and Fridays with. I can tell you exactly who broke what commandments, and with who. Small town -- only 69 to 90 in each class. I was outcast and cut down by a clear group at school, yet I was one of the smartest, prettiest, most popular, and best runners. I have yet to see any better behavior in other churches. Stick around long enough and they surface eventually. Yes there is a hell. It's for hypocrites. Religion is NOT personal; it's an in-group where you negotiate political control and make land deals that no one else has access to (even when it touches your property). Too lazy to get a long hose to drain your basement, they flooded my widowed neighbor's yard when you have two drains in two other directions, store your smelly garbage right near her porch, and cut down her trees on the property line without asking -- that's okay, she gets to buy them back form the contractor for firewood. Whe you don't pay your bills on a construction project with a 50% discount, her daughter has to go to the river to get mud to fill in the damage to her yeard, and plants grass and trees and puts up a fence (did I say the kids were wearing a foot wide path across her yard)? I'll stop now, my fingers are sore. Take the God crap back out of my pledge of allegiance (I was forced to say it, BTW), and take it off of my dollar bill. I don't mind the Latin -- I can read it :).

Posted by: Anya at October 1, 2003 08:55 AM